Unknown Bugs! - Click on picture for larger view

#1 - on oak leaf

#2 - on oak leaf

#1 - Size about 15 mm. A beetle?. Are they small wing-covers on the thorax? Does not appear to be in the ant or bee family, but I don't have a clue.

#2 - I would guess the body length at 30 - 40 mm. Antennae at least 1.5 times the length of the body. No wings or jumping legs. Don't have a clue on this one either.